Ron Paul: Hope For America

[MMIKEYJ]

SInce alot of people have been curious of Ron Paul I found this little 2 minute video which sums him up I guess.

Check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXRnM...elated&search=

[Neocon4Fred]

Originally Posted by MMIKEYJ SInce alot of people have been curious of Ron Paul I found this little 2 minute video which sums him up I guess. Check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXRnM...elated&search=

THIS IS A FRED THOMPSON WEBSITE YOU HATER OF AMERICA.

STOP TALKING ABOUT RON PAUL.....HE IS CLUELESS.....

IF HE HAD A CLUE....HE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS RACE SINCE HE DOESN'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THEY WANT TO KILL US FOR OUR FREEDOM! WE HAVE TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO PROTECT US FROM THE ISLAMO FACISTS!

[relative_genius]

Have you got a very sticky CAPS LOCK key, or are you just a boor?

[Nancy]

Originally Posted by Neocon4Fred THEY WANT TO KILL US FOR OUR FREEDOM! WE HAVE TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO PROTECT US FROM THE ISLAMO FACISTS!

That's what I always thought, that they hated us for our freedoms, but I just got through reading a book called, Imperial Hubris, by the head of the CIA's bin Laden unit, Michael Scheuer. He says they're angry with us for meddling in their foreign affairs. Here are a couple of quotes out of it:

"One of the greatest dangers for Americans in deciding how to confront the Islamist threat lies in continuing to believe -- at the urging of senior U.S. leaders -- that Muslims hate and attack us for what we are and think, rather than for what we do. The Islamic world is not so offended by our democratic system of politics, guarantees of personal rights and civil liberties, and separation of church and state that it is willing to wage war against overwhelming odds in order to stop Americans from voting, speaking freely, and praying, or not, as they wish."-- Michael Scheuer (former head the CIA's bin Laden unit), Imperial Hubris, page 8

"We assume, moreover, that bin Laden and the Islamists hate us for our liberty, freedoms, and democracy -- not because they and many millions of Muslims believe U.S. foreign policy is an attack on Islam or because the U.S. military now has a ten-year record of smashing people and things in the Islamic world."-- Michael Scheuer (former head the CIA's bin Laden unit), Imperial Hubris, page 165

"The U.S. invasion of Iraq is Osama bin Laden's gift from America, one he has long and ardently desired, but never realistically expected."-- Michael Scheuer (former head the CIA's bin Laden unit), Imperial Hubris, page 213

So, I'm not so sure anymore.

[Jason Francis]

AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP!

That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When more than 3,000 Americans were killed -AD) and maybe it was, but I think it should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.

It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this sovereign U. S. embassy set the stage for events to follow for the next 23 years.

America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism.

America's military had been decimated and down sized/right sized since the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start.

Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued.

In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it explodes, it kills 63 people.

The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more.

Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more.

Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber.

The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gate of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.

Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.

Then in August a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are continually attacked.

Fifty-nine days later a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed.

The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing
259.

Clinton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war.

The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder.

The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war?

The Snooze alarm is depressed again.

Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women.

A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over
500. The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively.

They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. These attacks were planned with precision.

They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.

The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.

And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.

In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high officials in government over what they knew and what they didn't know. But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since
1979.

The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think we have been in a war for the past 23 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough.

America needs to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now. America has been changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze button again and again and roll over and go back to sleep.

After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "... it seems all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant." This is the message we need to disseminate to terrorists around the world.

Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage, political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't have the backbone to do both Democrat and Republican. This is not a political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our children in years to come.

US Navy Captain Ouimette

Tell me again how the invasion of Iraq (2003 or 1991) provoked terrorism in 1979, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, or 1988. Keep in mind that this is only a highlight of Islamic terrorist activity against America. There are many more "minor" incidents (minor to those not harmed by them at least) that are so easily forgotten- especially when it is politically expedient to do so.

[NeoConsRule]

jESUS cHRIST! They do hate us for our freedoms. Dont you people ever listen to what our leaders tell us? The government might not always tell us everything ( for our own good ) but they are not allowed to lie to us.

[GoFred]

That's what I always thought, that they hated us for our freedoms, but I just got through reading a book called, Imperial Hubris, by the head of the CIA's bin Laden unit, Michael Scheuer. He says they're angry with us for meddling in their foreign affairs.

Maybe, Maybe not. But does it really matter? Saying "THEY HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS" sounds better than all that other gobbly gook. Plus, think of the children.

[Neocon4Fred]

Originally Posted by Jason Francis AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP! That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When more than 3,000 Americans were killed -AD) and maybe it was, but I think it should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then. It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this sovereign U. S. embassy set the stage for events to follow for the next 23 years. America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism. America's military had been decimated and down sized/right sized since the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start. Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued. In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it explodes, it kills 63 people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more. Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more. Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber. The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gate of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept. Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid. Then in August a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are continually attacked. Fifty-nine days later a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed. The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259. Clinton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war. The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder. The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war? The Snooze alarm is depressed again. Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women. A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500. The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively. They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. These attacks were planned with precision. They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep. The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep. And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep. In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high officials in government over what they knew and what they didn't know. But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979. The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think we have been in a war for the past 23 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough. America needs to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now. America has been changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze button again and again and roll over and go back to sleep. After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "... it seems all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant." This is the message we need to disseminate to terrorists around the world. Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage, political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't have the backbone to do both Democrat and Republican. This is not a political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our children in years to come. US Navy Captain Ouimette Tell me again how the invasion of Iraq (2003 or 1991) provoked terrorism in 1979, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, or 1988. Keep in mind that this is only a highlight of Islamic terrorist activity against America. There are many more "minor" incidents (minor to those not harmed by them at least) that are so easily forgotten- especially when it is politically expedient to do so.

YOU MAKE GREAT POINTS JASON!

THIS TERRORISM MESS STARTED WITH THAT WHACKJOB LIBERAL JIMMY CARTER!

We went thru alot of trouble to have the CIA Install a US Friendly leader like the Shah in Iran to protect our coporate interests there.

When those crazy Islamo facists revolted and the Shah had to flee and the ISLAMIC TERRORISTS took AMERICAN hostages...

WE SHOULD HAVE PUT THE FOOT DOWN THEN!

IF THEY WOULD HAVE JUST LET THE SHAH RULE OVER THEM, INSTEAD OF SOME ISLAMO FACIST CRAZY....WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THESE NUTJOBS.

BUT BY GETTING RID OF OUR CIA INSTALLED LEADER, THEY STARTED THE WAR! NOW WE'RE GONNA WIN IT!

WE SHOULD HAVE BOMBED THAT PLACE TO ASHES AND BUILT MILITARY BASES THERE....THEN THESE ISLAMO FACISTS WOULD NEVER HAVE HAD A PLACE TO GROW!

THANK GOD PRESIDENT BUSH DIDN'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE WITH THIS TIME WITH IRAQ.

WHEN SADAAM GOT A LITTLE TOO BIG FOR HIS BRITCHES AFTER THE CIA HELPED HIM GAIN POWER.....WE WENT IN THERE AND TOOK HIM OUT LIKE HE DESERVED! SADAAM SHOULD HAVE STAYED LOYAL TO AMERICAN INTERESTS LIKE THE SHAH OF IRAN DID...HE GOT WHAT HE DESERVED!

NOW WE WILL HAVE A PLACE TO BOMB THE REST OF THE ISLAMO FACIST COUNTRIES OFF THE MAP!

THE EMBASSY WE'RE BUILDING IN IRAQ IS PIMP! BIGGER THAN THE VATICAN!

SOON WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET IRAN AND THEN ONTO SYRIA!!

THEY CAN'T ATTACK US IF THEY'RE ALL DEAD!

DEATH TO THE ISLMAO FACISTS.

WE WILL WIN THE WAR ON TERRORISM NO MATTER HOW MUCH IT COSTS!

[Geekazoid]

I'm writing Fred that anyone who posts about RON PAUL on these forums should be banned. Just saying RON PAUL only gets him attention this constitution-loving, Jefferson-quoting, tax-lowering, government bureaucracy-shrinking fascist doesn't deserve.

NO MORE RON PAUL! I MEAN IT! I AM SICK OF PEOPLE ARGUING ON BEHALF OF RON PAUL ON A FRED THOMPSON FORUM! PLEASE STICK TO THE ISSUES LIKE, IS FRED GOING TO RUN, AND WHAT ARE HIS CHILDREN'S NAMES? OR IRAQ, IRAN, ITALY, ICELAND.

[FullFredAhead]

I thought this was a Fred forum take your freedom loving hippie sauce and go to your Ron Paul forums. Smoke another joint while your at it, we will be over here with Fred planning his first 4 years in office.